However, interpreted your way he's easily a Christ figure, and those are so ubiquitous in literature that I'm sort of inclined to agree with you. Locke is supposedly playing backgammon (alone). I'm pretty sure MiB is the bad guy. Remember when they are on the beach, his enemy we'll call smokey was saying that bringing people to the island would cause problems. Good v. Evil. As he matured in faith, Jacob depended on God more and more. There's no way they'd give away something like that on a trailer video that is so obvious to everyone. Jacob wins? Jacob (/ ˈ dʒ eɪ k ə b /; ... (38:46) Jacob is described as a good-doer (21:72) and the Quran further makes it clear that God inspired Jacob to contribute towards purification and hold the contact prayer. Jacob tells Hurley that he must use the light house to help "someone" reach the Island. is he really dead? i think Jacob was the first inhabitant of the island. You All Have It Wrong: Jacob is EVIL and Esau is GOOD by Noah Kennedy. Notice that "Locke" glances towards the door when Jacob says it. The lines are always a bit blurred. Jacob disagrees and comments that anything before the end is merely "progress", referring to the mistakes that people make along the road to an ultimately redemptive "end". With only Jacob and his nemesis on the, Rule: "The Nemesis can't kill Jacob" - Any human can kill Jacob, but only the leader of the. Jacob intended to die because he knew it would ultimately destroy the MiB. Therefore, over the past 5 years of LOST, Samuel has taken form of other bodies on the island that we could not yet explain. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. ok, i could ask the same way, why is MIB the bad guy? Jacob is neither "good" nor "evil", but only the unMIB, Not as omniscient and intelligent as he seemed. Il fumo nero e il fratello di Jacob sono la stessa cosa? He was trapped. 3. Of course, in Lost, nothing is as simple as having a good guy and a bad guy. Alice blames the black cat for all of the trouble caused in the story, but in the end, he is innocent. They are both beings who can the form of other bodies. Since Widmore and his team have arrived on Hydra Island it has become extremely likely that "they" refers to Widmore and his team. Is Jacob good or evil? And that is ultimately the best 'good' - because the other option is to have no good at all. SONG TIME Life Is Good. If you look the standard good bad argument you have light/dark,white/black into play. I also think it's a matter of balance between two forces because you could say that both Jacob and MiB are manipulating the losties into not listening to the other. Want Your Theory Posted? Jacob's final warning to the, I immediately thought along these lines when we saw Team Widmore arriving, which makes the interpretation of "They're coming" very ambiguous. This may be why Jacob is able to appear to Hugo after his death, because he wasn’t killed exactly how he was supposed to be. Many of my friends took Ab Aeterno as sufficient proof that Jacob is good; I am not so convinced. And that is ultimately the best 'good' - because the other option is to have no good at all. Jacob also bows down to Esau and calls him “My lord,” even though Isaac’s blessing to Jacob had been, “ Be lord over your brothers, and may the sons of your mother bow down to you.” These actions on Jacob’s part don’t undo Esau’s surrender of his birthright; that was an permanent transaction between the two of them, even though it wasn’t concluded under the best of circumstances. LOST: Jacob becomes the protector of the island [6x15-Across the Sea] Last update: Jan 3, 2021 1 answer. The Man in Black says that they corrupt and destroy, and we know from Jacob that they are all dead as a result. 4:54 PREVIEW She's Running Away. John Locke is a fictional character played by Terry O'Quinn on the ABC television series Lost.He is named after the English philosopher of the same name. Jacob needs the people outside the statue to stay alive, thus "they are coming" is information for MiB to help him mentally prepare for the new people outside, calm down and thus prevent another killing rampage as he did after the, Rule: "Only the leader can kill Jacob". 2. Little bit heavy-handed on the philosophy/free will/choice stuff, granted, but I think it makes perfect sense within the context of Lost. But then, if Jacob is the one who's been in charge of everything on the Island, gassing DHARMA, killing the American soldiers, capturing Sawyer, Juliet, Daniel, Miles, etc... they weren't exactly 'good'. The original sin was that the human being listened to the promises of the snake (MIB) promising him and her knowledge, just as the smoke monster/snake does with the candidates. Jacob is a biblical hero who depicts the power and grace of God to change and renew. This is very notable when he visits, Clearly we're meant to see one as 'dark' and the other as 'light'. He is trying to prove this to MIB, in order to do that he needs to bring people to the island, i.e. Jacob has been granted powers of the Island which he has abused. He began as the main antagonist during the second and third seasons, but in subsequent seasons, becomes a morally ambiguous ally to the main characters. Wasnt that finale So Shocking! Read the Old Testament and tell me whether God is 'good' or 'bad'. Lucifer wants to compel people to be good so he can bring them all back to Heaven. Life Is Good Jacob Young Rock • 2001 Play Shuffle. Much like how the Other's actions and intentions change drastically due to the personality of the person in charge (e.g Widmore, Ben, Locke) so does the very nature of the Island based on who is it's guardian. Clearly we're meant to see one as 'dark' and the other as 'light'. 4:54 PREVIEW She's Running Away. / If I told you different, would it sound the same? As he matured in faith, Jacob depended on God more and more. All the people he killed, controlling people, talking about "taking care" of the Ajira people, that doesn't seem very good guyish. By "they are coming" Jacob means to say that the group outside has figured out that Locke isn't really Locke, and that they're about to bust in to investigate. In this case he would have said "They keep coming...". But the question is who is who? The, Biblical. Now the man came up to the shepherd and said to him: "Good man, help me, and lend me a little fire! lol i think i was expecting something more spectacular. Perché allora il corpo del fratello rimane intatto? The fact that Nemesis has been driven to such great lengths by his desire to kill Jacob - and that Jacob is (eventually), Jacob significantly touching each of the people he meets in the past is directly opposite to his 'Nemesis', as (assuming the, Thematically, Jacob represents a belief in the good part of ourselves, and human nature as a whole, and the resulting hope for the future, regardless of the hardships that must be endured. He was never intended to be the Island's protector, it was always meant to be his brother, which is why Mother favored him. Like, the absolute personification of "the good." But the turning point for Jacob came after a dramatic, all-night wrestling match with God. This models Jesus Christ in the way that he died a physical death but in the end it's the devil who is destroyed (genesis 3:15- "you shall bruise his heel, but he shall crush your head"). Jacob models christ in his intentions, and the MiB models satan. Lets take a step back in time to when the ol'smokey was just smoke. In the end, the Lord touched Jacob's hip and he was a broken man, but also a new man. Your argument could apply to people in prison. This is why there is a temple near the spring. I'm talking about the ones that have Lucifer and Jesus as brothers in some sort of pre-existence, both equally in favor. The infamous meeting of jacob and Esau in LOST Season 5. He has a propensity for fits of emotional violent rage. When Sawyer offers MIB a drink, he just does as if he was drinking and when Jacob offers him fish, he said I have already eaten. The, Jacob is compassionate to those who have undergone misfortune. Little bit heavy-handed on the philosophy/free will/choice stuff, granted, but I think it makes perfect sense within the context of Lost. I think Jacob and MiB are two necessary forces that keep the island in balance (think of the scale), and that what's about to go down will be a result of the imbalance created by Jacob's death. Discussion of the show, pictures from the show, and anything else Lost related. To balance things out if something is given then something must also be taken away. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Makes it sound like that fight could continue. i had heard before that he may be Jacob, but yesterday, i really think he is Do you agree with me?? posted over a year ago. yesterday i saw the an episode of Lost( the 11th) and i saw Richard(Bens' friend) with john when John born John is about 55 years old, so, how could be Richard be the same(now, in the present, he looks the same) ?? I didn't think this at all until Ab Aterno, where Jacob complains to Richard, saying basically 'what's the point of people being good if I make them be good?'. But the dichotomy doesn't have to be Good/Evil. I hope Lost doesn't end up being as simple as just good versus evil. While Jacob certainly represents many things, such as a guardian, a healer, light, etc, this is what comes with becoming the protector of the Island. 1. John Locke is a fictional character played by Terry O'Quinn on the ABC television series Lost.He is named after the English philosopher of the same name. I'm pretty sure MiB is the bad guy. Lost: Man In Black Good; Jacob Bad? I was thinking today is Jacob and MIB which is good and which is bad? That all depends on why he is being held there. Jacob is neither "good" nor "evil", but only the unMIB. I think he's too associated with white to be a bad guy. Esau returned shortly after it had happened, and no one would have been able to make any kind of good legal case that Jacob’s ceremony was valid. These are all human qualities, very flawed, very real, perhaps even biased, rather than God-like and perfect. Benjamin Linus is a fictional character portrayed by Michael Emerson on the ABC television series Lost.Ben was the leader of a group of island natives called the Others and was initially known as Henry Gale to the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815. Going back as far as possible in biblical terms leads us to Eden. Maybe, Being the good guy he was trapped, and that is why he is trying to escape. The lines are always a bit blurred. It's like a game. Think of the more "human" interpretations of Christianity. Jacob’s mum and dad don’t dismiss his ideas, but they use language to work around it. Jacob was the fraternal twin of The Man in Black and the first-born of Claudia, who survived a shipwreck off the Island. He is shown to be somewhat reclusive, choosing not to leave his comfort zone when he and his brother discover Claudia's people, and he is easily manipulated by his "mother", evident from his appointment as guardian of the Island being brought about through loyalty to his "mother", who in reality was just using him to be free of responsibility. However, Jacob had told the Man in Black that it only ends once. I hope Lost doesn't end up being as simple as just good versus evil. I've decided that Jacob is a really, really good guy. In 2007, O'Quinn won the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Drama Series for his portrayal of Locke. Evil, and Jacob the Deceiver My LOST theory mainly uses evidence from Seasons 1 and 5 as its support. now he needs to be replaced. My wife has just given birth to a child, and I must make a fire to warm her and the little one." Of the Abrahamic religions, Jacob is probably closest to Allah, who had one true messenger; Muhammad, or Richard. This is a good discussion topic about figuring out Jacob's endgame. We see that Jacob does not want to interfere, that he believes in man's goodness, even til the end like with Ben, his last thoughts being he thought Ben would choose correctly. What is he? The Jacob/MIB origin episode, "Across The Sea", attempted to fill in that aspect of the Island mythology, but what we came away with were a lot of vague pseudo-explanations. But now, knowing he was in the form of Locke for most of this season, we know what he is capable of. as for jacob... he's more af an existential prison gaurd, keeping mib at bay. 5. He thinks people basically suck, so this is the only way to make sure they don't keep killing each other all the time. Its Pilachu's long lost evil twin. 3. I am not sure if this is related to "it only ends once"; it seems to be a plan by Jacob after he discovers that the Man in Black is trying to kill him directly. He can give life, heal, even resurrect (Locke). Jacob has to allow evil and good for anyone to actually have to option to choose good. Jesus is way more mellow and hippy-ish and wants to let them figure stuff out on their own. He wanted Ben to rule over the island when he has left. but i'm pretty sure every one of us is 100% wrong, because the writers for LOST are awesome like that. Strange that he suddenly cares about the Island, which according to his words was just an ordinary Island and that there was nothing to protect. Jacob and Samuel represent god-like representations or servants of good and evil. See the Lostpedia theory policy for more details. Tom Friendly , often referred to as Tom , Mr. SoJo. Another LOST mysteryWho is Jacob ? The Island is a symbolic reference to Paradise. 3:16 PREVIEW Opposite of Everything. "The Incident, Part 1" revealed more about the motivations for this conflict (on both sides) than has been gleaned from entire series prior to that point. What is his mission? i also think the four-toed statue is/was of Jacob. Good Days Lyrics: Good day in my mind, safe to take a step out / Get some air now, let yo edge out / Too soon, I spoke / You be heavy in my mind, can you get the heck out? Does he need someone who does not corrupt or destroy, and is that even possible? His mum is supportive but apprehensive but finds a solution to Jacob’s desires, and his dad compliments Jacob’s outfit while acknowledging it wouldn’t be something he would wear he … Jacob's big weakness was that he saw that Mother loved Man in Black more and favored him, and was deeply saddened when he left. it was really weird to see them though becasue you never would have thought about it that way. In fact, Jacob struggled with God his entire life, as many of us do. The greater event polluted Jacob's judgment, and he spent much of his life trying to force a particular outcome. Jacob comes brings people to the island. In the book one is black and the other white. Jacob sacrificed himself for the good of the island because he knew it would eradicate the evil on the island manifested in the MiB. https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Jacob/Theories?oldid=1113305. MiB is represented by fire (smoke). My theory that the MIB is actually the good guy picked up more steam last night. The MiB wants to keep people off the Island but Jacob has made sure people will always come for his idea of continuing progress. Both of them are find with letting bad things happen, because they don't really care about the people as individuals, only about the point they're trying to make. Just as Jack and Locke represent the 'Man of Science and 'The Man of Faith' respectively, Jacob and MiB are on opposite sides of … Lost writers don't "cheat," so I seriously doubt that Jacob is Christian Shepherd. He has also expressed faith in the rest of humanity, and it's this faith that makes the Island work in the way it does, referring to the previous point of how the Island works based on it's guardian. If you didn't, perhaps you should, as if fits with your thoughts. As a note for Ben that somebody else is arriving (expect the unexpected) or a deliberate information for MiB (ensuring MiB is prepared and executes his plan, unaware that he is doing exactly what Jacob's masterplan has been all about and all along). I don't think the candidates affect "only ends once," because he says "i'll kill you" and Jacob says "someone will just take my place." Jacob is convinced that mankind is good and tries to prove this by leading small groups of people to the Island time and again (. When Esau found out, he plotted to kill Jacob. Jacob "baptizes" Richard by dunking him into the ocean. He is bound by the rules so that he can't give things away. Presumably, they were referring to his appearances as Yemi. The rivalry between the two is that they both want to prove something. Of course, in Lost, nothing is as simple as having a good guy and a bad guy. Did you watch Babylon 5 ? A subreddit for the fans and critics of the ABC television show Lost. Perhaps Jacob is bringing them to the island because he needs help protecting the world from evil being released onto it... recruiting people like illana sure makes it look that way. How can he in smoke form be a "security system" for the island when the island, being the metaphorical cork, is a security system to bind him? ("The Incident, Part 1"). What will happen when you have finish your pokedex in Pokemon LeafGreen? "They come. He describes the Island as being a cork holding back a great evil, but when the cork is removed the black smoke is weakened not strengthened. It is this part of, This is also an extremely strong parallel to the Book of Job, with, Jacob is the "Dark" one - the bad guy, and his nemesis is the good guy. In the book one is black and the other white. Are they really so bad, they just want to escape? People who are 'lost' in their lives are brought there and tested to see if they can choose between right and wrong themselves because of Jacob's own personal view of right and wrong. In last season's finale, we learn that Jacob brings people to the island. Jacob is a very flawed individual. Since this IS Lost I have to bring up the point that maybe Jacob isn't all he appears to be. 4. He remains subservient and docile to his foster-mother, even after she admits to having killed his biological mother. Note that all of the above happened about 2000 years ago, making it very possible that Jacob has grown past this. Too much of either one is perilous. On the same trip, one of the other kids lost a red sneaker - we never that! More of an order/chaos dynamic I suppose. The scene also seems to have possible Good vs Evil connatations. It is lengthy so I apologize in advance. In 2007, O'Quinn won the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Drama Series for his portrayal of Locke. making him not really good, but needed. Jacob is ostensibly cast as 'light', and the man who desires to kill him as 'dark'. He comforted Sawyer as a child and told Locke that he was sorry after. Lost uses a lot of the white/black light/dark references.-Backgammon-Lockes eyes in Claires dream-Adam and Eve Stones 4. Press J to jump to the feed. This contacted Christian Shepherd who owned the depicted house and inevitably became through his death the Jacob equivalent to the ALT universe. 4:16 PREVIEW Rock Me Steady. The lines are always a bit blurred. They fight. It is also interesting that we never see MIB eat or drink, but Jacob does so. Just to point out, saying something happened at the "exact same moment" earlier in time is fallatical. In fact, Jacob struggled with God his entire life, as many of us do. Eight years after one of the most divisive finales in television history, it feels like Lost is on the rise again. changes them. When Man in Black's hate became so strong that Mother knew he would kill her, she passed on the role of protector to Jacob. My son found it after a couple of dives. To trace the history of the two figures, we know the Man in Black says that Jacob stole his body and his humanity. Jacob (Iacob in Latin) is a fictional character of the ABC television series Lost played by Mark Pellegrino.He was first mentioned as the true leader of the Others by Ben Linus and was described as a "great man" that was also "brilliant", "powerful" and "unforgiving". My theory is that lost is an allegory for the comprehensive story-line of the Bible. MIB thinks that human beings will always fall for his side. Putting aside the labels of good and evil, which are descriptions that help normal humans understand, we should figure out what Jacob is attempting with the Man in Black. With Jacob's obsession corrupting him, and he began manipulating people and events in order to prove he was right out of stubbornness. He demonstrated a severe lack of intelligence as a kid, being outwitted by his brother as he makes up rules to the game they are playing. Come fa a sapere MiB che la ruota servirà per lasciare l isola? MIB seemed genuinely afraid when Jacob said this, and the MIB is obviously not afraid of the candidates. i'm SO obsest! But the dichotomy doesn't have to be Good/Evil. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. MiB wants to show Jacob that someone will kill him (clearly caving to temptation) and then get off the island to go play on the weaknesses of the human race as an ultimate demonstration of victory. The MIB and his recruits represent free will/evil. If you have a theory or a theory that you have seen on the net, then please fill out the form below or email me with the theory details and indicate that you want it posted on the site. But the question is who is who? No matter what. Neither embodies good or evil, but Jacob is sure people can rise above temptation and MiB is sure they can't. The Man in Black expresses a view that people coming to the island only ends in death and destruction. We are going to study the life of Jacob today, and I find his story particularly intriguing because we get to see his whole family and how they interact. Jacob good or bad? In the May 26, 2006 Official Lost Podcast, the producers said, "There's a good chance that you guys saw the Monster this year Season 2, but just didn't realize you were looking at the Monster." any theories? 1 decade ago. Given his quest to prove mans free will on the island … For me, the question is why? candidates that prove that they are able to resist temptation and therefore are also strong enough to replace him, if necessary. Just as, The struggle between those Jacob and MiB can be described as some sort of "contest". 4:01 PREVIEW Let's Get Lost. 4:01 PREVIEW Let's Get Lost. Each person that the smoke contacted was scanned and killed or released based on previous actions. Jacob is back and once again Sarah and Ian Hoffman have made a nice story that is about acceptance, understanding, and education. 3:16 PREVIEW Opposite of Everything. "They are coming..." refers to a continuing influx of more people to the Island, not any group in particular. Jacob is not referring to any of the candidates. However, after losing to God in a wrestling match, Jacob received God’s blessings and a … Jacob was killed by being burned alive, not by a knife stab. Jack sees the annotated "Alice in Wonderland / ThroughThe Looking Glass" book and says that David loved Alice's two kittens, Kitty and Snowdrop. Since the very beginning of the show, a struggle between 'dark' and 'light' forces from the Island has been alluded to, and both the duality and ambiguity of these concepts has been explored in numerous contexts. He also promised knowledge to Sawyer. These people Jacob are bringing will represent the destiny/good side of the war. / Would it make a difference in anyway? In modern language Jacob came from a real dysfunctional family, and we will see the influence bad parents can have on their children. His adoptive motherdelivered the brothers and then killed Claudia.