The serial number was scraped off but police were still able to decipher it. [8] 2 Adolf Hitler And Eva Braun. And truly old money wealthy people did not have the need to show off their wealth with bling. The jewelry and watch were left on the bodies (unless they had a huge wad of cash on them that was taken, and no one has an answer to that, naturally). The killer then drove off in a cloud of dust, taking the underwear with him? They did not have any drugs or alcohol in their systems. I also mentioned this, OP said it's highly unlikely the people they spoke to would have been able to differentiate from French or French-Canadian accents. Sumter County Median Household Income equaled $52,594 in 2017, boasting a 18.1% gain since 2010, and again ranking Sumter County first among Florida counties, this time in the category of Growth of Median Household Income. Who were these people? Years ago a man was arrested for DWI in South Carolina, Lonnie George Henry. In other photos, the mouths and eyes were open. Posted by u/[deleted] 6 years ago. I agree, were probably using I-95 and ran into trouble somehow. Most of his mouth was filled with extensive dental restorations. Find 53 listings related to Sumter County Government in Sumter on YP.com. The Sumter County Does, also known as Jock Doe and Jane Doe, were two unidentified homicide victims found in Sumter County, South Carolina, on August 9, 1976.They had apparen tly traveled through various places in the United States before being killed in South Carolina. Maybe it was a porn movie and their faces were not visible. Robbery does not seem to be a motive. ... Trump pressed his hopeless case to overturn the election in front of the crowd in a speech laced with conspiracy theories. I think Henry’s alibi was that he was visiting a family member in the hospital. I posted this on another thread, but it still astounds me that they found a man with the murder weapon and nothing ever came of it. Could he have gotten so inebriated that he killed them and had no memory of it, thus tricking the polygraph? I always assumed they were either from Canada or from Europe and that their families never reported them missing, which is why they have not been identified, and that their families weren't looking for them because they had left possibly on bad terms and in the intervening years, there may not be anyone still alive from their immediate families. The problem is, the time frame for when the murders could’ve happened is fairly large. The simplest and most likely explanation for the motive and lack of resolution to the case is a random theft and shooting that had nothing to do with Leah Rowlands or anyone she knew. Melba was bothered by all of these questions. Both met while hitchhiking. A crime scene photo had been blown up and posted in a chat room about cold cases. Mousey little Melba’s mind started working overtime when she got to the part about no underwear. My Review of Finding Billy Battles by Ronald E. Yates, DNA testing has proven that John and Jane Doe were, There was no indication of European descent through DNA. Many people believe the Property Appraiser determines the amount of taxes a property owner will pay but this is not the case. The serial number had been partially filed away. Sketches of the Sumter County John and Jane Doe (Image: Sumter Mystery Couple Facebook) The pair died on a summer morning by the side of the road in Sumter County, South Carolina. What in the world are Sumter County Does? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Close. And of course even if you could see all the names of the athletes you can't know the coaches, coaches family, friends, and spectators. Back then, before internet, and Google, and DNA databases, and social media, and instant access to news from everywhere, it would have been relatively easy to be from another state, another country, and have never seen or heard of the case. Hours of Operation Monday - Friday 8:30 a.m. to 5 p.m. You can now pay taxes on our new Online Tax Payment Page April 05, 2017 ... Additional Theories. For the past 8 years I have been working on a cold case involving an unidentified couple that was executed on a dirt road in Sumter… I also think they are French Canadian, but perhaps their families were recent immigrants from Europe. author, autopsy, Bicentennial celebrations, coroner, crime scene photo, dead, dental work, DNA, Does, female deer, fingerprints, gun, gunpoint, history, jewelry, John and Jane Doe, kidnapped, missing, missing underwear, motive, murdered, Nation's Capitol, porn movie, robbery, Sara Marie Hogg, Sheriff's department, shot, South Carolina, strange mysteries, Sumter County, trauma, wealthy, witness protection, Copyright © 2011-2021 Caleb and Linda Pirtle. Although, I acknowledge that it was the 70s, and it wasn't unusual for women who lived the more "bohemian" or 'hippie' lifestyle to not shave, wear make up, bras or underwear. 5 Disturbing Theories On The Sumter County Does Murders: Unsolved - Duration: 6:07. Robbery Homicide. The man looks a lot like photos of Ron. Sumter County’s Median HH Income. She was Canadian but her parents were recent immigrants from Estonia. Had they been kidnapped, forced to make a porn movie at gunpoint, then forced to dress hastily, and exit the van* to be murdered? They had apparently traveled through various places in the United States before being killed in South Carolina. The Sumter County Does are in fact John and Jane Doe, found murdered 400 meters off of I-95 in a pine-tree riddled spot of Sumter County, South Carolina on August 9, 1976 by a passing trucker. This campground attendant got amazing powers of observation! Submissions should outline a mystery and provide a link to a more detailed review of the case such as a Wiki article or news report. The young man was thought to be in his early twenties, the young woman was most probably in her late teens or early twenties. Their identities will be released at a later date by the Sumter County Sherriff's Department. The watch was nice, but why not a Rolex, if wealthy? Id like to know if the girl had been raped before her muder. The Trace Evidence podcast covered this case just this week and he went into pretty good detail about the man who was found with the murder weapon. There are several Sumter Counties in the USA. A phone call would be too disruptive. Days of research on the Worldwide Web had not provided any more answers. They were both clean and had taken showers within the last twenty-four hours. One USSR athlete famously defected but later agreed to go back. The bodies were on the grass, kind of splayed out. There was a cold case profiled on Canadian TV about Reet Jurvetson...she was found in California way back when. Estep is perpetuating a conspiracy theory that is being chanted by a small, but vocal, group of people who are trying to convince Sumter County taxpayers that the sky is falling. No, not for sure wealthy, Melba thought. It was a thing also in the 70s for men to not wear underwear. They were found shot to death in Sumter County, South Carolina on August 9, 1976. to the Sumter County Property Appraiser web site. She decided to delve further. I started going through the roster looking for male athletes with a last name beginning with "F" because of the initials on the ring. Surely families were missing them. Descriptions of the woman had included that she had extra thick and long eyelashes—more so than most—and that she had two unique moles on the left side of her face. Press J to jump to the feed. When I heard of them I thought someone was watching them cause they were wearing expensive watches and rings, but they were found with it. The Property Appraiser of Sumter County is charged with placing a fair and equitable market value on every parcel of property both real estate and tangible in our county. The Sumter County Does remain unknown. The city and county of Sumter have a colorful history stretching back more than 300 years. Why did someone not come forward and report these young people missing in almost forty years? The Sumter County Does have been a pet case of mine for a while and I want to flush out an idea I had.... a lot of people point to the male being French Canadian from Quebec but I believe that the couple are French nationals. Sumter County Maps; COURT SYSTEM. Many people traveled to the nation’s capitol for history’s sake. While the evidence was thin, police did manage to develop several theories including one which targets a person of interest with a connection to the disappearance of another woman. It proved to be the gun that had killed the young couple. Unresolved Murder. It could have been the same scenario for the Sumter does. He took a polygraph. We have an Air Force base in our county that’s been in operation since 1941. Please consider the following counterpoint regarding Craig Estep’s June 7 Op-Ed titled: The real math behind the 25% Sumter County tax increase.Mr. I am posting this in case someone else wants to take up the mantle of this angle. This was inferred from some of their belongings. Seeing as they would be somewhere in their 60's today (20's when they died), their parents may not be alive any longer as they would be estimated to be in their 80's to 90s. Americus Sumter County High South. I admit, I always leaned more towards Europe because the woman didn't have shaved legs, and I know that in many European countries, women don't shave their legs or armpits. SUMTER COUNTY DOES IDENTIFIED!!! It was hard to tell. Why? It was a contract hit. I also focused on contact sports and sports that are common among wealthier people, like sailing, keeping in mind they may not have defected but simply decided to travel after the games. and when police questioned the brother he told them he had gifted Henry the gun many years prior, and when he did the serial number was intact. Was she searching in the wrong place? I admit, I always leaned more towards Europe because the woman didn't have shaved legs, and I know that in many European countries, women don't shave their legs or armpits. There were three questions she wanted answered—answers that she had not found in her research, that they should know by now. ‎Trace Evidence is a weekly true crime podcast that focuses on unsolved cases, from chilling murders to missing persons. A relative admitted giving him the .357 Smith and Wesson for a birthday. ;), “If they had spent any time around Sumter county, I think someone would’ve noticed them as outsiders immediately.”. Most of the information about the games only includes people who placed. The only witness to their deaths reported he heard a car driving down a dirt road that ran between I-95 and a state highway. It's one that I've puzzled over for years also. The Authors Collection, Sampler: Lost in Transit by Ray Stone and Gabrielle Burt, Next year, I’m walking to California by Sally Berneathy. That usually seems to be the case with these well publicized cases of unidentified does that are still unidentified after decades-- no missing person reports, no family or close family still alive. I found some leads but no slam dunks. I was nearly seven years old in the summer of '76. Middle class people often splurge on expensive dental work. They both had olive skin. I have some really BIG news. That way if it was an heirloom the first name wouldn't have to match. I have some really BIG news. Doe Diaries: Instalment 2 Sumter County Does. After thirty minutes of searching on the web, Melba found the crime scene photo. Join host Steven Pacheco as he examines each case, diving deep into the evidence and exploring the theories which revolve around them. (Scott Olson/Getty Images) (SUMTER, S.C.) A woman found shot to death in South Carolina in 1976 has been identified by her DNA as Pamela Mae Buckley of Colorado Springs, according to The Denver Post.. Sumter County Sheriff Anthony Dennis said Thursday that Buckley and a man, later identified as James Paul Freund of Pennsylvania, were found in August 1976 on a road off Interstate … That really made my ears perk up. I got a good giggle out of this too, I was just thinking "Damn, someone should offer that guy a job as a detective", New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the UnresolvedMysteries community, Continue browsing in r/UnresolvedMysteries. No, no this is awesome. She had been very attractive and you could see all of this in the death photo. He owned a revolver (found in his vehicle) of the same kind as the murder weapon. Various reports listed them as “wealthy,” because of expensive dental work the young man had, his expensive watch, and other jewelry. Third Judicial Circuit Public Records Search; Third Judicial Circuit Court Rosters; Family Court System; LAW ENFORCEMENT. The man was located but was not charged because insufficient evidence existed to file charges against this individual with the murders. It had had all of the serial numbers when given, the relative insisted. The Sumter Mystery Couple has been identified! But, then again, maybe the thief didn't care about the jewelry and was more interested in their car, and any cash they probably had. From Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia The Sumter County Does, also known as Jock Doe and Jane Doe, were two unidentified homicide victims found in Sumter County, South Carolina, on August 9, 1976. Theories ran rampant:  They were Canadians. Trace Evidence ***Sponsored by Caliper CBD. It was of their death faces. Sumter County was established by the Florida Legislature on January 8, 1853. It was her friends, decades later, who saw her photo and recognized her. It was proven to be the murder weapon after it was test-fired by investigators. Unresolved Murder. Are their faces frozen that way due to trauma or are they in some stage of rigor? You could not see the faces closely. Sumter County, Florida 7375 Powell Road Wildwood, FL 34785 Ph: 352-689-4400 FX: 352 689-4401 Contact Us Me too!!! ... Theories. Sumter, S.C. 29150 The Delinquent Tax Sale slated for Dec. 7, 2020, has been cancelled, as per Sumter County Treasurer Carolina Richardson. They had apparently traveled through various places in the United States before being killed in South Carolina. Photo credit: rarehistoricalphotos.com, thesamikhsya.com. Replies analysing and speculating over the mystery and possible explanations are encouraged. Still there are no answers. There were celebrations every where all that summer all over the country. Melba could not tell. Bicentennial. Discovery of the body. (Scott Olson/Getty Images) (SUMTER, S.C.) A woman found shot to death in South Carolina in 1976 has been identified by her DNA as Pamela Mae Buckley of Colorado Springs, according to The Denver Post.. Sumter County Sheriff Anthony Dennis said Thursday that Buckley and a man, later identified as James Paul Freund of Pennsylvania, were found in August 1976 on a road off Interstate … Who were the Sumter County Does? ... Investigators have not uncovered a motive, but they have learned that Warner may have believed in conspiracy theories… Do I dare look at post mortem photos, if they are available? Sumter County Steering Committee xxx … The Sumter County Does have been a pet case of mine for a while and I want to flush out an idea I had.... a lot of people point to the male being French Canadian from Quebec but … 6:07. Whenever this case comes up I feel like that detail sort of just gets glossed over. I was wondering what was the reason why they weren't wearing underwear. Not only that, we have two more military bases within an hour from here that were around at that time too. The "Carolina Backcountry," as it was then known, became a predominantly agricultural area called Craven County, later Claremont County. Named for Revolutionary War hero Gen. Thomas Sumter, the county was originally part of Marion County. It was 1976, the U.S. T They had apparently traveled through various places in the United States before being killed in … They don’t have time to mess with the “merely curious.”  After a few hours of thinking it over she decided to send the Sumter County Sheriff’s Department an email. The bodies were kept sealed in a funeral home for a time in hopes of identification. See more ideas about unidentified, john doe, cold case. Sumter County voters are going to the polls today to consider raising their property taxes by eight mills. They were under a witness-protection program. Leadership Sumter County builds and strengthens the Sumter community through training its leaders for the challenges of tomorrow. Sumter /ˈsʌmtər/ is a city in and the county seat of Sumter County, South Carolina, United States. They neither one had on underwear. According to a campground attendant the Male’s name was Jacques and that his dental work was very abnormal for the US. They were drug-runners. The program goals focus on developing informed leaders and channeling their ideas and experiences toward community resources, including issues and concerns, so that they might help direct the future of Sumter County. What makes me think his is French is that the shirt he was wearing had the 1975 Camel challenge race at Sebring logo on it, looking at the teams in that race a few were actually French and would compete in the years prior to the bodies being found and after. According to a campground attendant the Male’s name was Jacques and that his dental work was very abnormal for the US. Trace Evidence ***Sponsored by Caliper CBD. Also, at this point - we have to assume if there are any relatives left of the Sumter County couple - they would probably be siblings or friends of them. It depends upon where they went to school, but English is widely taught from preschool onward. Trace Evidence podcast on demand - Trace Evidence is a weekly true crime podcast that focuses on unsolved cases, from chilling murders to missing persons. The Sumter County does, also known as Jock and Jane Doe, are unidentified murder victims. Mr. Henry finally admitted that he had filed the numbers off himself, but why? Sumter County Does, 1976. The Sumter Mystery Couple has been identified! Another piece I learned from the podcast was that Henry was known to have a pretty severe drinking problem and had accidentally killed a coworker by running them over with a piece of machinery. Sketches of the Sumter County John and Jane Doe (Image: Sumter Mystery Couple Facebook) The pair died on a summer morning by the side of the road in Sumter County, South Carolina. I still hope to see this case solved. That was kind of far-fetched and there was no evidence of their ever turning up in a porn movie, anywhere. This … The Writing Traveler: Why not send us your favorite travel stories? The only witness to their deaths reported he heard a car driving down a dirt road that ran between I-95 and a state highway. Their caskets had windows for viewing the faces. They were both brunette, her eyes brownish-green, his brown. Could they be a girls’ drill team that performed at halftime for a football team called the Stags or Bucks? Sumter, SC National Enduro Round 1 - Duration: 9:32. But as the attendant seemed to believe Jacques, to me that suggests he at least had some kind of French accent as opposed to a generic Canadian as some FC do. This was inferred from some of their belongings. Third Judicial Circuit Public Records Search; Third Judicial Circuit Court Rosters; Family Court System; LAW ENFORCEMENT. I focused on countries with autocratic regimes at the time or political turnover in the 70s (USSR or USSR-adjacent, South Americans). MAPPING. Riser is the #1 local services app to get quotes from local professionals in Eastover, South Carolina. Lol. 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